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Say it ain’t so, Hawaii Five-0

June 4th, 2012 by

It appears that some viewers, brace yourself, actually do not like the carguments that take place on Hawaii Five-0!  Personally, it’s one of my favorite aspects of the show.   According to TV Guide, there will be a little something different in season 3 of the show.

 

I love Hawaii Five-0 but have had enough of McGarrett and Danny’s constant bickering in their car on the way to a crime scene. Can you please tell them enough’s enough? — Betty, Boca Raton, Fla.

The writers are aware they’ve overdone these so-called “carguments” and are planning to shake things up next season. “We are going to have so many great twists on those,” promises executive producer Peter Lenkov. “They’re not going to just take place in cars anymore.” For instance, Peter plans to trap the partners in the middle of the ocean “stranded in a dinghy for almost half an episode. The arguments that take place out there are going to be great!”

137 Responses to “Say it ain’t so, Hawaii Five-0”

  1. avatar Angie says:

    Sounds like to me Betty from Boca Raton doesn’t know what good TV is. The Carguments are the best. LOVE THEM!

  2. avatar Diana says:

    Peter Lenkov responded on twitter with this: “please reread carefully: “They’re not going to just take place in cars anymore.”I believe that means in cars, planes, trains, etc” — Thought this was the case but wanted to hear it from the horses mouth to make sure, since the headline and Betty’s comment was so negative about Carguments.

  3. avatar Susan says:

    Oh boy, so this is how they REALLY kill off one of the Core 4?? Lol!! Need a new name to replace ‘cargument’… ;)

  4. avatar Sandra says:

    I’m a little concerned about getting them stuck in a dinghy for half an episode..hope it’s not a gimmick..I don’t need gimmicks, just good plots and good acting.
    However, I trust Peter so I am sure it will be tastefully done.

    • avatar Susan says:

      Agreed, don’t like gimmicks, but not sure “tasteful” and “dingy” work together… ;-) Steve and Danny in close quarters under stressful conditions? The possibilities are endless, from one of them being wounded/injured/sick (i.e. concussion and must be kept conscious so the other talks nonstop), to the stories, life history, etc. both could reveal? Dude, bring it *on.* One of my fave Magnum eps had him treading water in the ocean for hours before rescue, lots of flashbacks and his monologue was incredibly revealing.

      • avatar sandrachase says:

        I agree, that was a great episode on Magnum. The idea of keeping the other from slipping into a coma is a good plot for bringing up all kinds of stuff to talk, or argue about during the time they are in the middle of the ocean.

      • avatar Mary Jane says:

        This scenario sounds good to me.

  5. avatar Mary says:

    I love carguments too, I will never get tired of those. I love every scene with Steve and Danny together, actually, and I’m happy about this spoiler and the idea of variety… can’t wait to see this happen!

  6. avatar Manu says:

    As long as the bantering goes on it doesn’t really matter where it is, I’m happy anyways :)

  7. avatar Sam says:

    I’m sure they can find very creative ways to let them bicker in other places than the car.

    I’m really looking forward to their creativity.

    • avatar Kim Ivey says:

      I agree and I thought the episodes that had Steve in Japan and Danny in Hawaii on the phone were very creative and opened the door for new ways for them to annoy each other and not be in a car.

  8. avatar Natalie says:

    Oh lordy! I cannot wait to see how those two being stuck in the middle of the ocean will play out. I can hear all the snarky SuperSEAL! comments coming from Danno now.. Should be EPIC!

  9. avatar Kathy M. says:

    Woo hoo – stuck in the ocean – can’t wait for that!!!

  10. avatar Gary says:

    The new Five-O needs to get more professional… McGarrett does not look like he is in charge…

    • avatar sandrachase says:

      are you refering to they way his dresses down why Danny is always dressed well. I think that is part of his nature, after all he was in the military and military guys don’t like suits or uniforms of anykind after being forced to wear a uniform during their service to out country.

    • avatar terrysagirl says:

      Really? Go back and watch the finale and tell me that’s not a man in charge of his team.

      • avatar Joan Cochran says:

        Damn Right Terry. McGarrett not in charge…bullshit.

      • avatar Linda Stein says:

        Well, I suppose you have to walk around in a three piece suite and shiny shoes in 100 degree heat to be a leader! Good thing every member of our armed forces fighting over seas don’t have to be “leaders”!

  11. avatar Linda N. says:

    Now that sounds fascinating! However, I like other fans enjoy the banter these two share in their “carguements.” But, I guess others are tired of it…oh well. I am truly looking forward to Season 3 and what it holds for the entire 5-0 team. I only hope that Alex, Scott, Grace and Daniel all return and Michelle will make an outstanding addition to an already fabulous team.

  12. avatar Bobbi says:

    I love the carguments and the bickering. I would like to hear them every episode. It’s fun and entertaining. But I like it when they are close and worred about each other; their chemistry is what makes the show what it is. Don’t take all the bickering away but do make the characters closer if that makes sense.

  13. avatar Donna says:

    I love the carguements, it’s not like we get one every single episode so I’m astonished that someone’s complained. Don’t get me wrong, McDanno stuck in the middle of the ocean arguing will be fantastic but carguements are what makes H50 special along with the bromance. #KeepCarguementsAlive

    • avatar Les says:

      I agree, Donna. It’s one of my favorite parts of the show, personally. And they had less of them overall in the second season. I’ve actually been missing the carguments and wishing for more, myself.

    • avatar sandrachase says:

      I like them too, because they let you know more about the two characters, ie their likes and dislikes. Their philosophies on like in general.
      Keep them going.

  14. avatar Deanna says:

    I love the carguments, they are hilarious. I am looking forward to Steve and Danny having other arguments, they should be cute. Please tell Peter to keep them.

  15. avatar MyMcG says:

    Have to say, I personally like the carguments, but IMHO, they worked a little better in season 1 when the two were feeling each other out and getting to know each other. In season 2, there were times they felt more contrived, like they put one in the script just to have one, and I’ve like those a little less.

    I think some argumentativeness will always be a part of Steve and Danny’s relationship and interaction, so I’m sure the bickering will never go away all together, but other ways to bring that out besides just petty squabbling in the car would not be a bad thing.

  16. avatar Rhianna says:

    How can people not like the carguments? That is one of the best parts. I’m looking forward to more!

  17. avatar socalgirl says:

    What there’s actually fan who’s tired of the carguments:) Those moments always make me smile because Steve and Danny sound like an old married couple when they argue. Which makes for a good laugh. In fact anytime the two of them argue, whether it be in the car, or someplace else is always funny, especially when someone asks “How long have you two been married?” That always makes me crack up:)

  18. avatar Maria says:

    Arguements in the ocean? Well that should be very interesting how Peter and teh writers will play that out between those 2.

    I always like the bantering those 2 always have but I have to agree with some that that too much of arguments is not good, maybe Peter had indeed been listening to fans suggestions and he wants to take charge of that and make a change for next season.

    I mean as long as the funny part stay in the show im ok with it, becaues the important part is the crime procedural stuff. I have this feeling that for the season 3 Peter and the writers will proceed very differently as the way to write stories for H50. Everything is good as long as the main purpose fo the show remains intact, which means good stories, substance, good action, good character developments and also the comedy in due cuantity so it serves the purpose of the stories.

  19. avatar Julie Lantos says:

    I LOVE the carguments!

  20. avatar debbie says:

    I’ve no interest in hearing Steve and Danny act like an old married couple. They are not in any kind of relationship though fandom seems to think they are. It clearly shows that the writers have totally run out of creative ideas if this is all they can come up with. Danny and Steve bickering like kids is not entertaining. Danny has no purpose on the show except being the comic relief and Steve’s character gets butchered everytime he interacts with Danny.
    How long can Danny keep bitching at Steve and calling him crazy. Maybe Danny needs to find a less dangerous job if he gets so easily upset. God knows how he even got to be a detective when he displays no detective skills.
    The show started off so well last season but now its just floundering aimously. I think season 2 proved that the show is in trouble and the writers need to up their game.

    • avatar sandrachase says:

      You are sadly mistaken if you think Danny is not a very important character in the show. There would not be a show without him. People are not referring to them as having a romantic relationship and in fact police partners do go through the same things as married couples do. Anytime you are partnered with someone you have to spend a great amount of your time with, there will be the emotional roller coaster that a long term marriage could go through too. If sounds like someone has a crush on steve (or maybe on Alex) and you view the arguments a an attack on Steve’s (Alex’s) character.

  21. avatar Jen says:

    Thankfully “Debbie Downer” above and Betty are in the minority! Carguments are best part of the show. Glad to hear about the spoiler. I can just imagine the possibilities of being trapped on a dingy together in the ocean! Should be hilarious :-)

  22. avatar Lilyg says:

    We didn’t have carguments in the first half of season 2 and it was boring and it sucked. I wish the first half never existed. But if I read correctly he’s saying “ok, you don’t want cargument, then you’ll have planegument, traingument, boatgument, inthemiddleofnowheregument, and so on” if it’s true, I like his way of thinking. If not, the show will get back to boring.

    • avatar ijsfee says:

      overdoing a thing is not the best option so i didn`t miss the carguments in the first half of season 2. but i was glad they were back in the last half/last episodes :-)
      still have to grin about the one where mcg asks danny if he should stick his fingers in his ears and drive with his knees *lol*

      • avatar Joan Cochran says:

        I agree, ijsfee….that was priceless. Definitely a winner and up there on the list with using a hand grenade to blow up the pawn-shop door from season one.

      • avatar Mary E says:

        I TOTALY AGREE!!Now that was hilairious and fit right in but my personal favorite was The dog riding shotgun and Steve in the back seat and I loved the way Mr Doggie was worked into the bit at Steve house IN HIS BED . A really cute follow up for Steve and Danno

  23. avatar Jenn says:

    Just made a few people new fans of the show by showing them clips of Carguments they loved it nad said they had to start watching it . I love this show even though work makes me miss it a lot

  24. avatar Diane says:

    Thank you terrysagirl for posting this. I did not know where to put it this AM before I went to work, so I mentioned it in one of the other reviews.

    I love the carguments. I would not mind if they did them in other settings, as long as they keep them. The being stuck out in the ocean just Steve and Danny sounds great, can’t wait for that one.

    No they aren’t married, but they do have a relationship, as best friends, so you would have this bantering back and forth. I agree with lilyg’s comment, we did not have as many in the first half of the season, so to say that they over did it, IMO is wrong.

    • avatar Alex Fan says:

      Totally agree. These two characters act more like brothers and isn’t that the way the all feel, Chin the older brother, Kono the little sister, McGarrett and Danny so close in age they are always trying to find their place as the middle kids. This show is about the islands, the police but also about OHana and that is family. Families argue with each other, fight for each other, happy for each other, hurt for each other. Other shows hint at family feeling but this show is brave enough to show their characters are vulnerable and I love that they can have the best of both worlds. H50 is just a tv show, but the actors bring the characters to life.

      • avatar Linda Stein says:

        I could not agree more! AND, because you love your family, you probably would say things to them that you’d never dream of saying to a stranger or casual acquaintance. There is that old saying that “you only hurt the one you love”. That is very true because no matter how awful you sometimes are to someone you love, you also know that person won’t hold it against you because they love you too.

        Steve and Danny are the perfect “brothers”. Danny rants and raves but he loves Steve and Steve puts up with it and actually probably even enjoys it because he loves Danny too.

      • avatar Val says:

        Great comment Alex Fan – one of the first thing that attracted me to the show was the development of the characters and the writers and actors have all done a great job in bringing some realism to each personality which makes them all very likable. Even some of the villains of the show are likable ie: SangMin, a very popular, somewhat quirky villain. Its not just a typical ordinary cop show where cops solve crimes each week. I really thoroughly enjoy learning a little bit about each one of them. One other villain I was sad to see go was James Marsters who I really hated at first (Victor Hesse) that is but then when he helped Steve escape, I started to see that there is some good in that character which I would never normally say about any villains of any show.

    • avatar Ed M says:

      Wow, Alex Fan, I had never thought of all four of them as brothers and sister but I like your thought. I had thought Danny really hated Steve at first and then became a good friend real quick after working with him and now they are the best of friends. I like the carguments because friends know they can playfully argue with each other and still stay friends. As for Chin and Kono – I wish they had made them brother and sister, because they are so much closer than cousins.

  25. avatar ScottCaanFan says:

    The writers and Alex and Scott are the biggest McDanno shippers..anyone saying that Steve and Danno are not in a relationship..are blind..LOL Or they just can’t accept that two strong male characters in a tv show can be more involved with each other then just platonic..sure they’re platonic..but there is much more that we’re given by the writers and by Alex and Scott..I love it how they keep playing the McDanno Bromance. And those that want less carguments..you obviously don’t get this TV-show..The Carguments and the entire relationship of Steve and Danny and how they bicker like an old married couple are the heart and soul of the show..without it this show would just be a run of the mill police show. It’s the Bromance of the decade that makes this show fresh, modern and loads of fun. And proof of its success, that there is now another cop show that is exactly playing the same kind of stuff..two straight cops in a constant bicker relationship, but with constant hints they should be more..even getting couples counsel..LOL Haven’t seen that show yet, but it just shows the influence that the McDanno Bromance already has in TV-land.
    Oh and want more proof that the Cast and Crew are McDanno Shippers..even in one of Crew video you see Scott’s girlfriend playing Danno and another girl playing Steve and they walk hand in hand through the H50 Office…LOL

  26. avatar Tricia says:

    Please keep the carguments–I love them and they seem more like brothers and you can feel that they are good friends and that comes thru . they are like two big kids and they remind me of my own brothers

  27. avatar Shelley says:

    I love the carguments and the banter between those two. There relationship is what makes the show.

    Those two stranded in the middle of the ocean is going to be priceless.

  28. avatar Mary E says:

    I don’t think Belittiling, bickering and shouting at each other shows either Ohana or professionalism at all if any body in law enforcement acted like that in RL they would soon have either a new partner or a new job I have a son in law enforcement so believe me I know. And yes I totally LOVE Hawaii 5-0 and the Carguments are sometimes fun IF they fit in with the plot but if they are contrived or just put in to appease the fans they do not. IMHOAnd REALLY guys do you want two gorgous virile straight guys like “Steve” and “Danno” behaving Like ” An Old Married Couple” SERIOUSLY”????? I’ve been married for over 20 years and still treat my husband with love and respect as he treats me. That’s why we are still married.
    Being rude to people is never nice even in a tv show !!!

  29. avatar debbie says:

    This show is not about a bunch of teenagers. It’s about grown men and woman who have a very dangerous job to do and they can do that and be friends without acting like children. Danny does nothing except complain and whine. Why is he on a cop show and why is he portrayed as a dectective when he shows no police skills.

    Steve is a trained Navy SEAL but yet all Danny can do is call him crazy each time he puts that training into force and takes down a perp. If Danny can’t be around Steve without acting like a scared child or a mother hen, then why is he on a Special Task Force where he encounters dangerous situations every day.

    Grown ups can have friendships and show they care without being childish. What kind of friendship do Danny and Steve have. What makes them friends. The fact that Danny whines and mocks Steve at every opportunity under the guise of “caring”. How is that friendship and why would Steve have someone on his team who doesn’t do anything except complain about everything.

    The show is not about relationships because the writers haven’t given any of the characters believable relationships. All they do is use Danny as comic relief to give the show some light hearted moments, eventhough those moments are thrown in at the most in-opportune times. The plot has to be interrupted so Danny can have his “moment” and Steve can roll his eyes and that seemingly shows what great friends they are.

    The show is not about the odd couple, its about a highly trained Navy SEAL with a supposedly highly trained TEAM. If the writers want to turn the show into comic relief with comic book heros, then keep up with the silly dialogue and meaningless banter, but don’t try and suddenly pretend that the show is meant to be “serious” with dangerous criminals and killers who kill indiscriminately.

    If Danny and Steve want to act like a “married couple” and bicker like kids then they may as well take the show down the route of Psych and let the guys act like goofs all the time and get rid of Chin and Kono. They really don’t get much to do anyway. What’s the point of pretending they are seasoned professionals doing a dangerous job while acting like kids.

    • avatar Maria says:

      I just say you hit the nail right on the head. Like I always say, fun things from time to time is ok and I welcome them, to release tension and stress from either one and yes Danny whines a lot that I have noticed lately. But like you say Debbie they are 2 professional trained law enforcement officers so they should act like that and act like that. I dont mind the comedy stuff but from time to time as Steve and Danny are like family, they care for each other and it is ok and with moderation, not turn the whole show into a comedy show with just carguements and bromance.

      I guess the fans who disagrees on the bromance or carguements are the ones who really have noticed this past season the comedy stuff exceeded the limit and they may believe the writers left behind what is the main thing on the show: To fight crime. Perhaps they took their criticism to Peter and the writers and let them know that.
      IMHO

      • avatar Linda Stein says:

        “I guess the fans who disagrees on the bromance or carguements are the ones who really have noticed this past season the comedy stuff exceeded the limit and they may believe the writers left behind what is the main thing on the show: To fight crime.”

        Maria! What?!?!? When did the “comedy stuff exceed the limit” this past season?!? When we essentially went 9 episodes with very little interaction with the core 4 as a team. We sometimes went 1/2 the show with Steve and Danny not even interacting one on one. We either had them as a threesome with Lori tagging along or Steve with Lori or Danny with Lori or Steve with Joe. For the first 4 episodes Kono wasn’t even part of the team. Oh we had a peek here and there of the old comradarie (sp?) but for the most part the feeling of Ohana was sorely missed for a majority of the first half of the season.

        Then we had 2.10 and Korea and we saw, FINALLY, the love these people have for each other and we started on the path to get back to where we were in Season one only to have Alex get sick and throw another wrench into the machine.

        And, I’m sorry, but the main “thing” with this show is not to “fight crime”. This is NOT a crime procedural where the character’s are secondary. This show is a character study of a team and how they grow and become a family. Oh yeah, they also fight crime too. It is what Peter said he wanted to do from the beginning, where this incarnation of Five-0 was different from the original. He wanted to show who these people ARE, outside the office, away from the crime.

        I sometimes wonder if we all watch the same show!

  30. avatar Mary says:

    I absolutely don’t think that the little adorable bickering between Steve and Danny make them immature kids or shows lack of professionalism. When you have to deal every day, at work and sometimes even in private life, with sad and complicated situations, it is necessary and helpful to find ways to relieve tension, find a reason to smile, to enjoy yourself, and that’s what Steve and Danny do together, and I find it amazing. For me, best characters in TV hystory :)

    • avatar Jen says:

      Woohoo! Very well said Mary! :)

    • avatar Mary E says:

      Mary!!
      Tell that to my son and his officer partner when they have just had to cover up the bodies of an entire family MUM, DAD and LITTLE KIDS killed due to a totally impaired driver. They are NOT going to get into their patrol car and do some “Adorable Bickering” to “lighten up” the atmosphere, I know it is “Just” a tv show, One that i totally love and support but some of you guys need to get Real.

      • avatar Mary says:

        It’s just a show, yes, I don’t even allow myself to compare that to the reality. What can I say about the show is that the characters are always respectful towards the victims, their family and friends, on every crime scene. Their duty is to assure justice to those victims and their family and friends, but sometimes you need to forget for a moment how ugly this world can be, so you smile at your partner, so you tease him, so you joke with him. I think it’s human and understandable.

      • avatar Diane says:

        Mary, I have police officers in may family as well. They have a tough job, but if they can’t let off some steam with their friends, then who can they. This isn’t reality, but really, friends may joke around with each other, but they are always there for each other. The police officers I know have a great sense of humor, and do banter back and forth. They don’t do that with the public, and they are professional, but if someone with a serious job can’t put things into perspective, and be able to joke about things, then their own health and sanity is in jeopardy. The show may go farther, but thats because its a show. I hope they keep it going.

        • avatar Diane says:

          Sorry, I meant Mary E, not Mary. I agree with Mary.

        • avatar Mary E says:

          Diane
          Thank you for that My son too has a real life filled with Love and humour and when his brother officers all get together for street parties or fun at each others houses we can all rock out. Just like Steve, Danno Chin and Kono do but not ON DUTY Honey .Not when you have just arrested sone Badass or watched innocent people die. Sometimes the carguments were great and funny but sometimes they came at moments that could make a law enforcement family wince and say “Seriously” Also for those of you who may think that I think there is something underlying in Steve and Danno’s closeness . I do not!!! I know how close the officers sharing a car and dangerous situations can be. They watch each others backs as closely as twins do and that has Nothing to do with Gender or sexuality. Thanks for your response. I appreciated it

    • avatar Nancy says:

      I cannot wait for a 15 minute raftgument? Boatgument? Shipgument? This makes my day!

      Some people sound really uncomfortable with the carguments because they could be construed to imply that Danny and Steve are more than just buddies. The relationship between these two really is the heart of the show. While they bitch and snark at each other that is how they show they care. Danny’s “What’s the matter with you???” really means, “OMG are you trying to give me a heart attack? Do you know how worried you make me???”.

      We all get what we want out of those scenes. I personally love them and hope they have more scenes like the one in season one when Steve was getting his Rambo on, dressing in camouflage clothing and making a booby trap with a giant log while trying to talk Danny down from his mental ledge.

      I would like to see some deeper carguments though, when the boys really show how deep their bond is and how much they trust each other. Don’t mess with my McDanno too much, Lenkov!!!

  31. avatar Alex Fan says:

    Trust me when I say, I don’t see Steve and Danny as anything but brothers, one with no family around the other missing his family. I do know about brothers and sisters and to me that is how they come off sometimes, bickering but always have each others back. There is a reason policemen talk about their profession as a brotherhood. I know real life cops who crack jokes and still take their jobs seriously. Steve and Danny banter similar to Gibbs and DeNozzo. Steve and Danny brothers, Gibbs and DeNozzo father and son.

    • avatar Linda N. says:

      I am so glad someone thought of that analogy because it is so true!! A big thank you to “Alex fan!”

  32. avatar debbie says:

    Jen.. Do you really think you are representative of an audience of millions because a few online fans agree with you.

    You may watch for the McDanno quota and enjoy the guys acting like kids or an old married couple but there are just as many opposing views out there from fans who don’t come near forums or rush to twitter Peter Lenkov.

    If everyone missed the Steve and Danny show so much then why didn’t the ratings plummet in the first half of season 2. Why were there just as many complaints in the 2nd half of the season about how annoying Danny was becoming and how forced the carguemnts and banter was.

    • avatar Jen D says:

      The only person who is ANNOYING is you. Why don’t you and Betty form your own little BITCH & WHINE club, because no one else wants to hear it. Even better, go watch “Castle”, although I hate to wish you on their fans !!!

      • avatar Sam says:

        Very mature response Jen D. (Yes, that is sarcasm.)

        And please don’t speak for me, because *I* want to hear her opinion.

        Grow up please and treat people with respect.

        • avatar KimL says:

          I agree.
          I guess everyone should be allowed to say his/her opinion, but please with more respect.

          I know that you (sam) love this show and I really like to read you opinion.

          I love the carguments, but i really think that it’s time that the men have some serious conversations too. Both men have a lot to deal with and it’s time that they share their problems, like friends do.

    • avatar Diane says:

      Debbie, I don’t think anyone speaks for millions of people. But the carguments have been going on from the start, and I’ve heard some of the complaints from people, but if the carguments were so annoying to all 11 million people, then this show would not have been renewed, because they would stop watching. Not all of us like the same things, and I understand what you are saying, but I don’t agree. However, it is your opinion and you have the right to express it, as does Jen D.

      But lets keep it nicer.

    • avatar sandrachase says:

      If you don’t like it watch something else and let us enjoy H50 in peace.

    • avatar Sam says:

      debbie, I mostly agree with you, although I like the carguments and don’t want to miss them.
      But I totally agree that Danny’s character is botched up and he’s not the detective he’s supposed to be. I hope that will be better in season 3.

      I love Steve and Danny working together, but all in balance, and I think it’s a good idea to give us some varieties of the arguments.

      I loved the first half of season 2, carguments or not, I think season 2 was really great. Different from season 1 but that happens when something is evolving. A second season is always difficult.

      I’m sure there are as many people not watching because of McDanno, but because it’s a great show in general. And don’t forget the majority of people simply keeps quiet. Everyone can find something in this show to love.

      All of us should simply accept that we all have different preferences. None of which are wrong or right.

  33. avatar Jim says:

    first of all Danny has a job to do (back up steve) and if you pay attention, he does it very well. I could do a LOT worse than be stuck in a foxhole with this version of Danny Williams. Secondly Danny is NOT ragging on Steve about doing his (Steve’s) job but about Steve’s unconventional and often illegal methods of obtaining info from perps.
    Yes the carguments WERE better in season 1. Yes they were sometimes forced in season 2, especially late in the season (when everything might have been a little rushed due to Alex Illness)
    The dingy scene sounds like it has great potential if written well and not forced…looking forward to season 3

    • avatar Mary says:

      Exactly… Danny is a great cop and between him and Steve there is a lot of respect… they know each other very well, so it’s easy to find ways to tease and never offend each other and deeply enjoy each other’s company, which make their work days (and their personal issues) much easier to bear.

      • avatar Jen D says:

        Totally agree Jim and Mary! I’m glad some people “get” the Steve/Danno relationship, because it is by far one of the best on t.v. Simply, there would be NO show without them :)

        • avatar Teresa says:

          I agree. I did not enjoy the first few episodes of season 2 because of the lack of Steve/Danno banter, but hung in there with hopes that it would improve (and it did). H50 is my favorite show because I love watching them interact. That’s what separates it from all the other shows. I would hate to lose that when it took so long to get it back!!!

  34. avatar debbie says:

    “First of all Danny has a job to do (back up steve) and if you pay attention, he does it very well. I could do a LOT worse than be stuck in a foxhole with this version of Danny Williams. Secondly Danny is NOT ragging on Steve about doing his (Steve’s) job but about Steve’s unconventional and often illegal methods of obtaining info from perps.”

    How does Danny back up Steve. Steve usually manages to get the perp without any help from Danny at all. Steve methods may have been unconventional LAST season because Danny didn’t know Steve. What has Steve done this season that was illegal or unconventional. How is Danny being helpful by constantly telling Steve how crazy he is. In ep 2.23 once again Dannys starts with the nagging and asking Steve whats the matter with him because he successfully killed a dangerous criminal. Steve was doing what he’s trained to do. Why is Danny in the police force if he can’t accept that their jobs are dangerous and thats why they are on a Special rask force that involves taking risks.

    Danny’s role is to point out how crazy Steve is, but yet he himself breaks every rule as soon as he finds himself with his own personal issues and even goes as far as shooting a suspect in custody. But Danny has to keep up the role of being a foil to Steve because he doesn’t have any other role on the show.

    Brothers don’t just bicker, they certaintly don’t mock, insult and complain all the time to those they supposedly care about. That’s nonsence, just as much as acting the way they do is meant to denote the behaviour of married couples. I don’t know any married couples who behave like Steve and Danny.

    • avatar Mary says:

      “What’s the matter with you?” now, most of the time, it’s only a rethorical question, IMO, it’s more a way to express concern and affection. Danny knows that Steve is reckless and when he does certain things he gets worried, it’s human, it show that he cares about him.

    • avatar Terry says:

      “Brothers don’t just bicker, they certaintly don’t mock, insult and complain all the time to those they supposedly care about. That’s nonsence, just as much as acting the way they do is meant to denote the behaviour of married couples. I don’t know any married couples who behave like Steve and Danny.”

      In your world perhaps, but in mine, among my circle of friends and family, the Danny/McG relationship is quite familiar. My close-knit and loving family has raised bickering and bitching to an art form. Though I understand and respect your opinion regarding the careguemets, that doesn’t mean real life adults don’t act that way. Some do. That’s why I get such a kick out of the character’s bantering/bickering. To me that’s the sound of familial love!

      • avatar Nancy says:

        I know plenty of people for whom snark signifies affection for the other person. When Danny calls Steve a Neanderthal animal it’s not because he hates him.

    • avatar Jim says:

      Danny is right there with Steve chasing down perps, covering Steve’s back, tackling people when necessary, and analyzing clues just about EVERY episode. Steve is still doing whatever it takes to get perps to talk including threatening them in the darkened “interrogation room”(I personally LIKE these tactis BTW)…Danny’s “you are crazy” rant is a schtick now, a way of expressing affection and respect for Steve.

      • avatar Hills says:

        LOL! You forgot also planned on invading a hostile country with the rest of the team to bring Steve home. Then stepping up to the plate and covering for Steve (doing the job of two) when Steve goes to once again chase his white whale that is Wo Fat.

        And as for Danny and Steve…. Well one of my cousins is a Firefighter. “Rescue Me” and the scenes around the firehouse as the crew gave each other crap and the hazing was pretty much spot on the money. Danny and Steve are actually kind of mild with their fights. I think when the crew went in to ‘sensitivity training’ is still one of the best TV episodes EVER written.

    • avatar Hills says:

      How does Danny back Steve up?

      Are you actually watching the same show everyone else is?

      Let us count the ways…

      1) Storming a frigate
      2) Giving up a shot at being a full time father and husband again to help prove Steve’s innocence.
      3) Help hide Steve from the law after he escaped from Jail
      4) Was planning on sneaking in an enemy country to bring Steve home.
      5) Doing the job of two (his and Steve’s) because Steve took off after Wo Fat with no warning and time to prepare.
      6) Going head to head with the CIA to make sure Steve got home safe with Wo Fat.
      7) Is once again doing the job to two because Steve once again took off with no warning. (At least he got a phone call this time)

      Those are the just the big ones I can think of off the top of my head.

      I think if there’s anyone the writers should start showing having their partner’s back these days I think it’s actually Steve who got some work to do.

      And no offense they really do write Steve Sumperman, lone-gun, never thinking anything through, moronic a LOT.

      • avatar Jen says:

        Wow! You nailed it! I really don’t know what show some people are watching. Danny has been 110% there for McGarrett, while McG will desert his team at the drop of a pin to go settle personal vendetta. The only reason he took the job was to go after his parents’ killers.
        As you said, if anyone who has not been there for his partner, it’s McGarrett !

  35. avatar Mary E says:

    Dear Terry
    This is such a nice forum !!Could you please remind poeple that we are expressing our personal opinions and Nasty persnal attacks on other people have no place here .
    Thank YOU XOOX

  36. avatar Jordan says:

    I love the carguments, I think it gives the show more than just the action and police work to focus on. We get to see the characters interact with each other outside of them barking orders. I think they are great and would love to see them continue

  37. avatar Nate says:

    Those two guys are the best. There’s lots to do with their characters individually and interacting. Carguments are a big and fun part of that.

  38. avatar terrysagirl says:

    First of all, folks, please keep your comments respectful. It’s fine to disagree, but not to insult others.

    My two cents: This show started out as a combination of drama, comedy, and action and if you find the humor to be out of place, it might not be the show for you. It’s not a realistic drama and has never pretended to be. Having said that, would these guys kid around like this in real life? Cops, soldiers, and other emergency workers are known for their “gallows humor,” making jokes about things the rest of us would find horrendous. This is something they rarely share with those outside their units (even with their own families) as others wouldn’t understand and would be appalled. It’s a way to relieve tension and a defense mechanism to deal with the horrifying situations they encounter. But once again, this is a television show, so yeah, it gets exaggerated.
    As far as friends not treating each other the way Danny and Steve do; most of the men I know tease their best buddies mercilessly and endlessly. If they don’t like you, they ignore you. If they think you can take the heat, and you respond with humor, you’ve got their admiration. This is how it is with Scott and Alex on the set, and that’s reflected in show. Also, I can say that on Twitter and Facebook, people are always clamoring for more carguments. Does that mean that 100% of the audience loves them? No, but I think it’s a pretty good indication that most do.

    • avatar Mary E says:

      Thank you Terrys a girl. VERY nicely said and respectful of ALL our opinions

    • avatar Diane says:

      Thank you, terrysagirl. I agree that this show has never claimed to be realistic. Five-O is not a real law enforcement organization, although there are some people who think so, and have since the original show. They are having fun, there are serious moments, and they have shown those moments. You can’t have reality all the time, no one would watch. Even the police officers I know, realize that. They don’t go around each and every day firing their gun, chasing someone, getting shot at.

      I love the carguments, I love the serious stuff and action also. Don’t take away our fun please.

      • avatar Mary E says:

        Ive Never seen the original show. I lived in England. I don”t don’t think I would like it. It sounds a bit “Stiff and Stylized ” but surely people did not think it was REAL!!Did they!!Surely they must have known it was just acting !! Carguments then or not ???

        • avatar Linda N. says:

          Mary E….I did watch the original Hawaii Five-0 and yes I guess it was “stiff and stylized.” But, then that was how the shows were. There were no carguments or bantering like now. It was strict police work. And, Steve’s grandfather, Capt. Steve McGarrett, was also a naval officer and occasionally did offbeat things. It was a good cop showat the time;however, the show today is much better.
          And with this you can see that I am an older girl who still thinks AOL is HOT!!!!!

  39. avatar debbie says:

    A handful of the same twitter and online fans clamouring for carguments indicate that “most” fans want them, I don’t think so. A few online fans are NOT representative of an audience of millions!! I know far more fans who don’t come near forums, twitter or facebook and they certaintly don’t clamour for more carguments.

    The fans clamouring for more carguments and more Steve/Danny are the same fans you see every week, even if they amount to a hundred or hundreds, they are drop in the ocean in relation to the overall audience opinion.

    If some think being rude, disrespectful and condesending are qualities that show you care then I’m glad I don’t have friends like these. I can stretch my imagination when it comes to realism as much as anyone else but I don’t watch H50 to see Danny act like a child or complain non stop or mock peoples customs and show his lack of respect for just about everything. I don’t find that entertaining or believable and don’t think for one moment that anyone would put up with such pathetic behavior. The show has so much more to offer than Danny acting like a 13 year old.

    But Steve doesn’t seem to be “enjoying” Dannys rants or letting them roll of his back lately either. He looked totally fed up at Dannys surf rant and it seemed like he really didnt want to make that phone call to him in the beginning of episode 2.22 and in the final he’s rolling his eyes and saying how he’d better phone Danny as if he had to placate a child. He didn’t even disagree with Joe’s commnet about it not being a bad thing not having to speak to Danny again.

    A tiny minority of online fans are no indication that most fans only watch for the Steve/Danny moments. All it proves is that those who watch for the same reasons congregate in the same places.

    • avatar Sam says:

      Well said, debbie. With this I can completely agree.

      The role of Danny got more and more annoying over the season, and I truly hope they will work very hard on his character.

      His bitching about everything was funny in the beginning, like the first three episodes, but now it’s mostly annoying and very unprofessional.

    • avatar Diana says:

      “A handful of the same twitter and online fans clamouring for carguments indicate that “most” fans want them, I don’t think so. A few online fans are NOT representative of an audience of millions!! I know far more fans who don’t come near forums, twitter or facebook and they certaintly don’t clamour for more carguments.

      The fans clamouring for more carguments and more Steve/Danny are the same fans you see every week, even if they amount to a hundred or hundreds, they are drop in the ocean in relation to the overall audience opinion.

      A tiny minority of online fans are no indication that most fans only watch for the Steve/Danny moments. All it proves is that those who watch for the same reasons congregate in the same places.”

      Debbie — you are absolutely right that the online fans are a small drop in the bucket to the overall viewership, but what you fail to realize is that the scores of statisticians that CBS has on their staff are not. These statisticians go out and find scientifically representative test audiences (i.e. across all ages, races, and background)to show their various shows to, then they ask them questions about what they like and what they don’t like. From the test audience’s answers the statisticians can then determine what the vast majority of the 11 million viewers like and don’t like about the show. This information is then shared with not only the people running the show but also the executives of CBS.

      Which means if the “carguments” were not liked they would have never been included in the show to begin with and if a majority of people were to start to dislike them as time went on you would see them written out of the show. Which we know from Peter Lenkov statement to TVGuide is not the case because he basically chose to ignore the original question from Betty about wanting the arguments to go away totally and basically said that they are not going anywhere, we are just changing where they take place.

    • avatar Lynnette says:

      Debbie, I appreciate your comments, I really do! There was another discussion on a different 5-0 Ohana page this past week concerning what members felt had gone wrong with Season 2 and what needed to be done to improve Season 3. The ultimate conclusion to the very long discussion – almost as long as this one – was that everyone agreed they loved this show so much that even though we whine and complain and project what we want to see changed, we will probably never willingly turn the channel.

      I can’t assume that this is the way you feel, Debbie, but is it safe to say H5-0 has some redeeming features that you enjoy watching and perhaps hope to see improved upon next season as the reason why you haven’t given up and switched the channel?

      I admit, I don’t see the Danny situation in the same way you do. The “bromance” dynamic currently seems to be very popular on televsion – Callen and Sam on NCIS:LA, Finch and John on POI, and the new Common Law with Wes and Travis, who are currently in “couples therapy” for the way they fight as detective partners! I, personally, love the bromance and consider Danny a better police detective than Steve will ever be! (Steve has his own merits as a SEAL – together the two partners compliment each other).

      Can I ask if it’s the Danny character you detest, or Scott Caan’s portrayal of Danny? I understand some fans see Scott as an extremely irritating actor. Personally, I have to watch each episode at least twice because I spend the first viewing just watching Scott’s expressions and listening to everything that comes out of his mouth! Of course, that’s just me.

      I would be very interested in hearing what you’d like to see for Season 3, Debbie, and I guarantee I will listen respectfully!

      • avatar Lynnette says:

        I don’t mean to single your comments out here, Debbie! After I read what I just posted, I hope I didn’t come across as rude – I certainly didn’t mean to. I’d like to hear anyone’s comments on what could be done in Season 3 to improve upon the past two seasons!

    • avatar T says:

      Debbie,
      why do you watch H50? From your comments, you don’t seem to like it very much. TPTB stated very early on that the main focus of this show would be the relationship between Danny and Steve. I’m beginning to think that you are a major Steve/Alex fan from your comments. I don’t think anything Danny did short of ‘yes Steve’, ‘whatever you say Steve’ would make you happy w/ his character.

      As many have stated, we’re all intitled to our opinions. This is my thing.. Steve is the head of Five-0(a POLICE task force). This is not a SEAL team and cannot be lead under military rules, but must adhere to POLICE procedures. That is generally where Danny and Steve conflict. In reality(since that seems to be where you base many opinions) Steve would not have lasted on a police task force using his somewhat unorthodox methods. In fact, most of their arrests would be thrown out do to poor police procedure. I know he’s SuperSeal and perfect in every way to his fans… but really? So, lets all try to keep in mind that we’re watching a fictional tv show for entertainment. If we don’t like it, we can stop watching. I love the banter between these two. I think the relationship suffered a lot in season 2. I also think that if any one needs to learn what it is to be a true friend and partner it’s Steven McGarrett. I’m tired of his ‘do as I say not as I do’ and ‘it’s my way or the highway’ attitude.
      By the way, this is my very first time making a comment on any forum. I don’t twitter/facebook or generally use any social media. I am one of the ‘hidden’ fans who never(until now) do more than read various sites. And believe me I know lots of people just like me who love the Danny/Steve dynamic and esp. love Danny. Maybe if TPTB stopped focusing so much on Steve and how the others react to his world, we might be able to see more depth to Danny, Chin and Kono. If we get more of season 2 w/ little or no Danny, Chin and Kono, I wont be watching much longer. If the season 2 trend continues, then the shows name should be change to The McGarrett Show so those of us not enamored be Steve/Alex can stop wasting our time waiting for decent stories. Debbie, yes you are very intitled to your view. But you are also in no way representitive of the entire audience. If that were the case, there would be millions of fans agreeing w/ you not just a handful. Just as those who disagree w/ you(like me) are only a small representation of the full audience. What are there, like 100 comments here. A very small number when comparing it to millions, don’t you think?

  40. avatar Jen D says:

    I think it is time for “Sam” and “Debbie Downer” to find another show to watch, and that is said with all due respect Sam (Yes, that is sarcasm). You talk about calling the pot black, you two, especially Debbie, are constantly whining and complaining at every turn how she doesn’t like Danny. If it so bad as you appear to state, why bother watching the show?

    Also, for the record, even Alex has stated in many interviews, the heart of the show is McGarrett’s and Danny’s relationship. Without it, there is NO show. So Sam and Debbie please grow up, if you don’t like something, move on and find something you do enjoy to watch. The rest of the “true fans” will go on enjoying the show as it is, carguments and all!

    • avatar Sam says:

      LOL – you obviously didn’t read my posts.

      I love the show, but that does not mean that I can’t ‘complain’ about the one or other thing.

      Being a ‘true fan’ does not mean to love every little aspect of a show. And as I have stated I wouldn’t want to miss the carguments, but looking forward to more variety and more grown up conversations.

      And for the record I have no idea where you come off and call me not being a fan of the show.

      It’s people like you that cannot respect the opinions of others and need to attack them personally. Very sad indeed that this is happening on this wonderful forum.

  41. avatar Donna says:

    I’m obviously watching a different show then some of you because the affection between Steve and Danny shines through. The affection is clearly seen if you check out the BTS photos of them and that comes across on screen. The carguements are part and parcel of who Steve and Danny are.

    My father always used to banter with my best friend and when he didn’t she knew there was a problem. Some people are like that. So to say that’s not the way it can be, is incorrect.

    Anyway, I love the show and will continue to do so as long as they bicker and banter like they do now. It shows they are human……

  42. avatar H50extremefan says:

    I think that you have to have a certain understanding of the nuances of a lot of the communication between Steve and Danny. Something like 90% of communication is non-verbal and I think this is what works so well. Having AOL and Scott playing these characters only helps the dynamic too. What Danny says is pretty much the opposite of what he means a lot of the time when it comes to Steve, but they “GET” each other on a level which means a small smile or a brushed by hand on the shoulder can change the meaning of something completely. I’m looking forward to the ep with them stuck out in the ocean as I trust them (Lenkov etc) that they will balance arguments with care/sharing between the two of them. I doubt if it will be both of them in full health just sat there arguing, tv wise its an awesome arena to play out a lot of personal/emotional stuff and perhaps tell us more about the background of one or both of their characters. Maybe I look at it too deeply – but its the underlying care and affection between Steve and Danny that makes one of the most (IMO the most) important aspects of the show.

  43. Betty,apart from the amazing action don’t you think the carguments are the best bit? Other than Alex without his shirt on that is!!

  44. avatar kari oloughlin says:

    i love carguments :( are they trying to kill good things in this show?( no cargument wont stop me from watching it) i think thos ppl left all the shows on tv & just put their ugly eyes on our 50 just to make it look less interesting then other shows; i dont like how MCgee argues with Tony its been happening for 9 seasons & im sick of it but they still do it & one one said anything about making it stop , now we had cargument for only 2 season & they already started to annoy us about getting bored of them? some ppl are just too mean…good thing Mr LENKOV wont stop them just gonna change from car to other things :)
    PS: would love to see steve & danny stuck in the middle of the ocean that would be a good epi & i completely trust writer when it comes to gr8 storyline :)
    mahalo for the article,
    kari with love <3,

  45. avatar Linda Stein says:

    Why do people who obviously hate something about a show continue to watch?? I mean, you’re not talking about someone you would just prefer not to see, say, someone like Sang Min. A character we don’t get to see too often is easy to look past if you don’t care for him. But Danny is ONE HALF of the package that makes this show what it is. If you don’t like Danny, why are you still watching?! I just don’t get it!!! Maybe a show that’s more of a straight procedural, where they deal with cold hard facts and the team mates speak to each other only in the course of their investigation is a show for you. Maybe a show with a sense of humor isn’t your cup of tea. To each his own.

    I love the carguments and I don’t care where they take place but I will agree that if they are added in just for the sake of having it there it doesn’t work as well as when it’s there because it’s the perfect spot for it. I agree with whoever said (I’m sorry…it was way up the page and I can’t remember who said it) that when Danny rants “what the hell is the matter with you?” what he is really saying is “are you trying to give me a heart attack?” because he can’t bear the thought of anything happening to Steve or any of the team for that matter.

    Danny was scared to death when Steve went missing in Korea. He was scared to death when the CIA guy implied that the plane carrying Steve “didn’t exist”. His anger at Steve over taking off wasn’t so much anger as, again, being scared that Steve was in trouble and, unlike Korea, Danny didn’t even know where he was to help him out.

    These two are most definitely brothers. Yes, Steve rolled his eyes when he called Danny to tell him he was going to Japan with Joe but NOT because he was fed up with Danny but because he realized how worried Danny was the first time and didn’t want to put him through it again. Steve smiled when Joe asked if Danny not speaking to him was a good thing or a bad thing because Steve realized Joe was only joking, he was not making a disparaging remark about Danny. Steve knew he was joking because Steve has a sense of humor. Too bad some fans don’t.

  46. avatar Val says:

    I’m just adding my two cents worth after reading everyone’s comments by saying that the “carguments” are totally fun and entertaining. I find that in season 2 Danny has truly shown us how much he has changed since season 1 from when he first arrived on the island, alone, a stranger and a father who followed his ex-wife to be near his daughter and a desk job.

    He never expected to find himself partnering a navy seal in a task force and while season 1 proved to be challenging for the team, he certainly learned very quickly that he wasn’t nearly as alone as he thought.

    He found a family of friends who are his co-workers and with season 2 he made up his mind that Hawaii was his new home, hence the missing tie but not the personality.

    The carguments in season 2 have changed, with not less humor but less bite. Danny knows Steve better and vice versa.

    The carguments are used cleverly to easy the tense drama unfolding and allows the pace of the action scenes coming pick up speed but it also allows a small window opportunity to learn something new about these two partners. We learn that they confide more with each other on a personal level which brings their friendship much closer but as close as they are, they have different views and opinions but one thing we can be certain about is that their trust instinct in each other works very well.

    So much has changed for Danny in season 2 – we are seeing a new side to Danny who isn’t as worried or nervous about chasing bad guys down the street, he’s willing to take lessons from Steve’s “playbook” and try a few things to work in his favor and they seem to work. We are seeing a new side to Danny who still adores his daughter but he cares for his friends.

    Even though Peter left us with a cliffhanger where neither one member of the team could be there for each other in that moment – I know beyond doubt that in season 3 they definitely will be there for each other.

    Those “cargument” scenes though a precious few in season 2 compared to season one are very essential to the back story of the relationship between the two partners, their personal lives and their work.

    I’m looking forward to what Peter Lenkov will do for season 3 because no matter where Danny and Steve are in their story – its always going to be thoroughly fun and entertaining.

    • avatar Lynnette says:

      Very well said, Val. Danny’s life on Hawaii has gone from living on a “pineapple-infested hellhole” to a place that “grows on you.” His character has adapted and adjusted to being in a partnership with SuperSEAL Steve, and he’s learned to accept that he has people that love and respect him, and he’s grown to care for them, too! That’s why he argues with Steve! He cares for him and he wants him to be safe! He wasn’t snarking at Steve in the vet’s office in 2.23 after Steve had been shot in the vest, he was seriously scared that Steve was hurt! The relationship is there, it’s important to their partnership, and it’s vital to the continued success of H5-0!

      • avatar Linda Stein says:

        Very well said Val and Lynnette!

        “That’s why he argues with Steve! He cares for him and he wants him to be safe! He wasn’t snarking at Steve in the vet’s office in 2.23 after Steve had been shot in the vest, he was seriously scared that Steve was hurt! The relationship is there, it’s important to their partnership, and it’s vital to the continued success of H5-0!”

        I especially like this paragraph Lynnette and it also illustrates what Val was saying about the way Danny has grown in this life.

        Back in S1, when Steve used the grenade in the pawn shop Danny WAS snarking. “You need help…I will pay for it!!”. But now in 2.23 when Danny says “what’s that look?…don’t do something stupid” it’s not snarking, it’s love and concern. He just watched his brother get shot in the back. For a moment his heart and his head went to the worst. Then a second later he realizes that Steve is ok only to have Steve jump up and put his life in danger again. Danny was scared FOR Steve.

        Danny has essentially “lost” Steve 3 times. The first time, when Steve went to prison but Danny knew what he had to do to help him. The 2nd time in Korea. Danny didn’t know what was happening but knew Steve was in trouble. But he knew where Steve was and had someone to turn to for help.

        The 3rd time he lost him was when Steve took off leaving only a letter behind. This may have been the worst time of all for Danny. Unlike prison and Korea (which, of course was horrible for Steve) Danny had no idea where Steve was, what he was doing, or what was happening. He had no contact with him at all and Danny feared that if something happened or, God forbid, Steve was injured or killed he wouldn’t even know about it.

        As a parent or anyone who has laid in bed at 3am scared to death because your kid or loved one was supposed to be home at midnight and hasn’t come home nor called, you know that the fear of not knowing what is going on and fearing the worst is horrendous. When they finally do come home, when you know they are alright you are giddy with relief, want to hold them to be sure they are ok, they beat the living crap out of them for scaring you to death like that. That’s not snarking! That is LOVE!

  47. avatar Mary E says:

    I like your Explanation a LOT Val. Makes sense to me actually, looking back. I also agree that one thing is for sure Season Three will be AWESOME!!!

  48. avatar debbie says:

    “I think it is time for “Sam” and “Debbie Downer” to find another show to watch, and that is said with all due respect Sam (Yes, that is sarcasm). You talk about calling the pot black, you two, especially Debbie, are constantly whining and complaining at every turn how she doesn’t like Danny. If it so bad as you appear to state, why bother watching the show?

    Also, for the record, even Alex has stated in many interviews, the heart of the show is McGarrett’s and Danny’s relationship. Without it, there is NO show. So Sam and Debbie please grow up, if you don’t like something, move on and find something you do enjoy to watch. The rest of the “true fans” will go on enjoying the show as it is, carguments and all!”

    Jen, Please don’t tell me how I should feel. Why do you have to make things personal and what gives you the right to call anyone a true fan because they don’t share YOUR opinion. Maybe you should learn some respect and tolerance for other peoples opinions. So I guess all those who hated Lori weren’t true fans, or are true fans only the ones who agree with you.

    I love loads of things about the show but Danny and how he is written is the weakest part of the show for me. If he had another purpose besides being a foil for Steve, or if he displayed some decent Detective skills and professionalism, I could handle him running off at the mouth from time to time. But what about his rudeness, his lack of respect, his complaining. You may see these qualities as endearing, I don’t.

    I work in an entire male invironment and sure guys banter but thats not the issue, its how childish and unprofesional Danny becomes during the banter and how silly Steve acts as well. Men can ragg on each other but they know when to be professional and not start moaning and complaining whilst in the middle of doing their job.

    If you like this kind of thing Jen and if your favourite part of the show is Danny ranting at Steve like he’s his mother then good for you, but please don’t tell me what I should watch or what I should like about the show.

    As to Alex interviews, maybe you should read back on what he said at the beginning of season 1 and what he wanted from the show because it’s turned out totally different to what Alex had been expecting.

    Danny and Steve’s relationship may be the heart of the show for you, but you are in no way representative of what an entire audience wants or likes. The reason fans don’t frequent forums like this to express their opinions is because of the exact kind of intolerance that your diplaying here.

    • avatar Val says:

      In Alex O’Loughlin’s own words and the cast’s perspective of the “carguments” – and most fans who understand this embrace the show with all its fun moments.

      “I think that’s one of the things about McGarrett — is that he feels alone in this world. He feels — he’s lost both his parents now, and he feels detached in this world, that’s why the connection that he joined — the connection that he finds with Danno, his new partner, is so important… because it’s one of the only connections that he has, you know… and it’s about really important stuff.”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJLbHEYw58o

      “Alex’s commentary on the carguments is as follows:

      “When you get in a car with someone, it’s just you and them… it’s clearly about nothing else but these two people; there’s no distractions, and it’s just what’s going on.

      I think everybody’s accepting of the fact that the carguments are just a part of this relationship.

      That’s where we spark — you know, it’s like a boxing ring, that car; I think you see what the other character does to the other character, you see what we do to each other — and you also see the love there, and why they do get on.”

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK45sB_uusc

      Scott Caan – “when you are on a show like this anything new that is different is fun because its something new and to act with and fun to explore”

      Based on their view point, the fans who watch the show are enjoying the series for all the “carguments” and understand that these characters all have different personalities and they spend a lot of time together because they are such a small team of four so its not surprising that they have become familiar with each others different personalities and rely on each other for support and friendship and it carries through in season 1 and season 2.

      I don’t agree that Steve and Danny are squabbling over minor issues – when you have a close friendship like these two have you pretty much treat each other equally and we see that on the show. Its not rudeness we see but rather concern in their expressions during very intense moments since they rely so much on each other to get the job done and to keep each other safe. And Alex O’Loughlin, Scott Caan, Grace Park and Daniel Dae Kim have expressed what many of us feel about the Steve/Danno partnership on the show.

      So the best defense on the “cargument” argument is truly from the cast and most of us who enjoy the carguments and understand the sentiment behind them all truly appreciates them for what they are.

  49. avatar Bert Hayling says:

    With the understanding that these interviews do not take S2 into consideration, I offer (1) Alex O’Loughlin’s impression of the importance of Steve’s relationship with Danny Williams, as told to E!’s Kristin Dos Santos back when the show premiered, and (2) Alex’s views on the value of the carguments as recounted during the round of season-wrap interviews filmed on-set during the filming of 1.24.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I personally put a lot of weight into the opinions of the actors whose job it is to embody, to breathe life and emotion into, these characters.

    (1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJLbHEYw58o

    (Alex, talking to Kristin Dos Santos)

    “He [Steve] is a native [-born] Hawaiian, but he went away for a long time. He was sent to the mainland as a kid; his father sent him away for reasons we’ll find out throughtout the series. When he comes back here, yes, he does know a bit of pidgin, and he does know the area really well, he knows a lot about the island from growing up here, but he does feel like an alien again.

    I think that’s one of the things about McGarrett — is that he feels alone in this world. He feels — he’s lost both his parents now, and he feels detached in this world, that’s why the connection that he joined — the connection that he finds with Danno, his new partner, is so important… because it’s one of the only connections that he has, you know… and it’s about really important stuff.”

    (2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK45sB_uusc

    Alex’s commentary on the carguments is as follows:

    “When you get in a car with someone, it’s just you and them… it’s clearly about nothing else but these two people; there’s no distractions, and it’s just what’s going on.

    I think everybody’s accepting of the fact that the carguments are just a part of this relationship.

    That’s where we spark — you know, it’s like a boxing ring, that car; I think you see what the other character does to the other character, you see what we do to each other — and you also see the love there, and why they do get on.”

  50. avatar Jim says:

    There needs to be room here for RESPECTFUL criticism of both the show and the opinions of other posters. Without that, without people feeling comfortable expressing “unpopular” opinions, this entire forum is weakened to much less than it could be.
    I really enjoy the carguments (and thanks Val, Lynette, and Linda for enlightening me on some points I had missed.)

    OTOH I for one am sick to death of the Shelburne story line and Mom McGarret (Kathy Bates maybe?..or Jane Lynch?) better have a damn good explanation or uprooting the lives of her children in a fake car accident. As I sarcastically posted before. Steve, Mary Ann, and mom should have a picnic, say a prayer for dad, and move on. This arc bores ME. I am sure many others like it and look forward to more of it.
    We all have differing opinions on certain aspects but in the end we all enjoy this TV show. Lets have fun with it.
    Hope I did not sound TOO preachy.

    • avatar Val says:

      Actually Jim you have made a good point regarding Shelburne – we have been debating endlessly on that aspect of the series on another site to death…lol!! I agree that aspect of the story was disappointing since it was a huge climax of this season to lead us all along. They could have given us a bit of a story with clues to follow to hold our interest instead of nothing…endless zeroes which drove all of us crazy until the final episode. So let’s hope that the opening of season 3 will give us more material to get excited about…lol!!

    • avatar Lynnette says:

      Thanks, Jim, for putting Kathy Bates and Jane Lynch into the Mom McG arena! I’ m struggling with Kathy Bates, she just seems a bit hard to swallow as anyone’s mom, to tell you the truth! But Jane Lynch! Wow! I don’t think Mom is much of a comedian, but- height, build, coloring and her general personality would really work! Depending, of course, on what her reason was for disappearing off the face of the earth, effectively abandoning her children, I can see Jane Lynch as playing the CIA spy-type person very well (not a poor little woe-is-me type, though). I think she’d be a great choice, and believable, too!

      • avatar Maria says:

        Someone say that Sigourney Weaver or Geena Davis could be good choices for Steve mom. What do you think? I rahter like Sigourney Weaver. I was rooting for some actresses in her 5o and 60′s taht no longer are on TV, they are very beautiful women and it can be a way for those actresses to make a return to TV, but I guess my choices look very superficial, I was saying Heather Thomas or Morgan Fairchild, they are in the late 50 or early 60′s even if they look so so younn and they may look better on a soap opera rather than an cop show (LOL!!) Maybe Glenn Close, Connie Stevens, Shirley Jones?

        • avatar Linda N. says:

          You have to be kidding….Shirley Jones, Morgan Fairchild!?
          I don’t think so!! Anyway, its my understanding Peter already has someone picked out for the role of mama McG. Guess we’ll have to wait until Season 3 to find out.

    • avatar Diana says:

      I’m rooting for Lynda Carter (aka Wonder Women) to play Mama McG. She is talented, she is the right age (61), she still looks good (see this pic on IMDB that was taken in Dec 2011), she is tall (5’9″) like Alex and bares a striking resemblance to him, and in her younger years could really kick rear in that she did most of her own stunts including the fight scenes when she was playing Wonder Women back in the 70′s.

      • avatar Diana says:

        Forgot to include the link to the pic which was http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2135274240/nm0004812 .

      • avatar Val says:

        Honestly I didn’t have an opinion one way or the other who would be suitable for playing the role of mom McGarrett but after seeing the photo in that imdb link you shared…wow I could totally see her as Doris McGarrett.

        Somehow I have a feeling and I could be wrong but I think Peter Lenkov won’t use someone with star power to play mom McGarrett, he has done a wonderful job with casting the four leads as well as some of the other casting members who appear regularly so I think they would find someone perhaps with a lower star power but a talent for acting.

        So I’m thinking they may find someone locally in Hawaii and it would be great to give someone local an opportunity to shine in such a vital character as mom McGarrett. Its a wild guess of mine of course – I have no idea what the casting directors will do, but I’m sure they’ll do something that will surprise us all.

        • avatar Lynnette says:

          Like your idea that it won’t be a high- powered, A- list actress portraying Doris McGarrett,Val! More times than not, the HYPE over a Big star far outweighs the satisfaction. I will be very happy with an actress who can play the part well and with a high believability ratio. A local actress would be great! (Although I still like Jane Lynch! Maybe we can get her for Danny’s mom?)

        • avatar Diana says:

          I hate to burst your guys bubble, but according to the article in last weeks TVGuide Magazine, Lenkov actually wants a big name actress to play Mama McG. This is what the article stated:

          “Is McGarrett’s mother alive? Is Kono dead?  ”Mom…?” Yes, McGarrett, we were just as shocked as you to learn that the mysterious Shelburne, whose identity has been teased all season, turned out to be none other than your presumed-dead mama, Doris.  Executive producer Peter Lenkov, who wants to cast a big name for the role, says Mama McGarrett’s return has been in the works since the pilot.  ” I always imagined there was a question about her death,” says Lenkov. ” I have big dreams for the character.  We know she was responsible for Wo Fat’s dad’s murder, and Wo Fat probably won’t rest  until she’s dead.”  And, what about Kono  (Grace Park)– will she survive being tossed into the ocean?  She can’t expect to be rescued by cousin Chin-Ho (Daniel Dae Kim), whose bride Malia was dying in his arms at the end.  ”It doesn’t look good,” say Lenkov. “[But] that could go either way.” ”

          So it doesn’t appear that he will be looking for a local actress. And, truthfully I have say I hope they change her first name too. I just don’t see a Doris giving birth to a SuperSEAL, but that may just be me.

          • avatar Val says:

            Thanks Diana :) Forgot about the article. Hmmm so they are casting for a big name after all. Wonder if they found her already?

  51. avatar Bert Hayling says:

    As the off-site YouTube links seem to have tossed my original comment into the moderation queue…

    With the understanding that these interviews do not take S2 into consideration, I offer (1) Alex O’Loughlin’s impression of the importance of Steve’s relationship with Danny Williams, as told to E!’s Kristin Dos Santos back when the show premiered, and (2) Alex’s views on the value of the carguments as recounted during the round of season-wrap interviews filmed on-set during the filming of 1.24.

    I can’t speak for anyone else, but I personally put a lot of weight into the opinions of the actors whose job it is to embody, to breathe life and emotion into, these characters.

    (1) … SJLbHEYw58o (this will hopefully work if plugged into the YouTube search box)

    (Alex, talking to Kristin Dos Santos)

    “He [Steve] is a native [-born] Hawaiian, but he went away for a long time. He was sent to the mainland as a kid; his father sent him away for reasons we’ll find out throughtout the series. When he comes back here, yes, he does know a bit of pidgin, and he does know the area really well, he knows a lot about the island from growing up here, but he does feel like an alien again.

    I think that’s one of the things about McGarrett — is that he feels alone in this world. He feels — he’s lost both his parents now, and he feels detached in this world, that’s why the connection that he joined — the connection that he finds with Danno, his new partner, is so important… because it’s one of the only connections that he has, you know… and it’s about really important stuff.”

    (2) … uK45sB_uusc (this will hopefully work if plugged into the YouTube search box)

    Alex’s commentary on the carguments is as follows:

    “When you get in a car with someone, it’s just you and them… it’s clearly about nothing else but these two people; there’s no distractions, and it’s just what’s going on.

    I think everybody’s accepting of the fact that the carguments are just a part of this relationship.

    That’s where we spark — you know, it’s like a boxing ring, that car; I think you see what the other character does to the other character, you see what we do to each other — and you also see the love there, and why they do get on.”

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  53. avatar JessicaB says:

    I don’t want to add too many ditto’s here, but would like to say that on the topic of Danny’s character, the carguments & the bromance I can totally agree with the following commenter’s:

    Jim, Hills, H50extremefan, Linda Stein, Val, Lynette and Bert. I just like when opinions can be and are backed-up by examples :-)

    @terrysagirl & The Stuff of 50uncercover.com:

    Thank you for running this site & keeping a good eye on it :-)

  54. avatar Radiant says:

    I honestly like the carguments between Steve and Danny. I am looking forward to seeing more bromance and carguments in different situations because they lighten up and add humor to the show.

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